Rudy Giuliani right for the GOP?
I tuned into the Rush Limbaugh show on my way to pick up Chinese for lunch today and was completely FLOORED by the idiocy of his stand in host who was discussing the 2008 election.
His stance on the possible Presidency of Rudy Giuliani was that the man is PERFECT for this country at this particular time except for one problem… he’s Pro-Choice. Note, that the host never once used the words Pro-Choice, but opted to use the favorite label “Pro-Abortion” instead.
He stated that he felt that a Giuliani run would be hampered into complete failure simply due to his stance on Abortion because abortion is THE most important issue facing the US to date.
I guess he forgot that we’re at war?
I don’t understand the huge upheaval behind the government being involved in the issue of abortion. I guess it has a lot to do with the overall moral decay of American society in that most people would rather the government dictate their actions rather than rely on their own personal moral code. If society stood up as a whole and did not stand for abortive type behaviors and upheld their moral code when it came to their decisions and how they raised their children, then it really wouldn’t BE an issue. Remove the moral objections from societal pressure and there is nothing stopping such behavior.
I can think of FAR more important reasons than “pro-choice” to not hand Rudy the ticket… His support of gun control would be one of them.
mgroves
9 Feb, 2007
It’s more complex than that. People against abortion (including me) see an unborn child as a person–a distinct human being with property rights just like everyone else. The killing of which is unjust. Therefore, murder/manslaughter laws should apply to most cases of abortion.
So, your argument really doesn’t make sense in that context. Should we not have murder, rape, burglary laws as well, since it’s just an issue of moral decay and not legal enforcement?
mgroves
9 Feb, 2007
Another one of my issues with abortion: there was no law passed, it was simply decreed by the Supreme court (and I highly, highly doubt it was the founder’s intent). I would be much happier with legislation passed and signed by elected representatives, preferably at a state-to-state level. You know, like it was before Roe v Wade.
One thing I also wanted to address with Rudy: if it’s not likely that he’ll appoint any supreme court justices, then I don’t think abortion will be a huge issue in getting the nomination.
James
12 Feb, 2007
My main issue was with the notion that Abortion was THE biggest issue in the US today… I just couldn’t fathom that idea in todays context.
grumpy old fart
14 Feb, 2007
mgroves,
“Another one of my issues with abortion: there was no law passed, it was simply decreed by the Supreme court”
Well, not quite.
Texas had a law that essentially banned abortion. The Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade was asked to do their constitutionally mandated job of deciding whether that Texas law violated the Constitution. They found that it did, holding that a woman’s right to privacy gave her the right to control her own body, at least during the first trimesterof her pregnancy.
This ruling, of course, meant that similar laws in other states were also unconstitutional.
grumpy old fart
14 Feb, 2007
James,
Unfortunately, there are many people in this country who care much more about abortion and gays than trillion dollar wars that kill and maim the already born. The Limpballs substitute was obviously one of those tunnel visioned persons.